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	<description>Working to end the killing of shelter pets in NC</description>
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		<title>Comment on Irresponsible public steps up to help pound pets after theft by Lisa B</title>
		<link>http://fixnc.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/irresponsible-public-steps-up-to-help-pound-pets-after-theft/#comment-1888</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that link!]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Irresponsible public steps up to help pound pets after theft by Pet Advocates (@petadvocatesnet)</title>
		<link>http://fixnc.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/irresponsible-public-steps-up-to-help-pound-pets-after-theft/#comment-1886</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pet Advocates (@petadvocatesnet)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 23:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not sure if there are studies on this but anecdotally I understand that s/n results are seen fairly quickly in tnr pockets of communities. In case Josh cycles to the next kill apologist cliche such as &quot;keeping pets in cages is a fate worse than death&quot;, I would remind him that in an open admission no kill they don&#039;t usually stay for very long but even if they did a new study shows shelter dogs welfare is not impacted by long term kenneling http://www.humanespot.org/content/cross-sectional-study-comparing-behavioural-cognitive-and-physiological-indicators-welfare-b .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if there are studies on this but anecdotally I understand that s/n results are seen fairly quickly in tnr pockets of communities. In case Josh cycles to the next kill apologist cliche such as &#8220;keeping pets in cages is a fate worse than death&#8221;, I would remind him that in an open admission no kill they don&#8217;t usually stay for very long but even if they did a new study shows shelter dogs welfare is not impacted by long term kenneling <a href="http://www.humanespot.org/content/cross-sectional-study-comparing-behavioural-cognitive-and-physiological-indicators-welfare-b" rel="nofollow">http://www.humanespot.org/content/cross-sectional-study-comparing-behavioural-cognitive-and-physiological-indicators-welfare-b</a> .</p>
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		<title>Comment on Irresponsible public steps up to help pound pets after theft by Lisa B</title>
		<link>http://fixnc.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/irresponsible-public-steps-up-to-help-pound-pets-after-theft/#comment-1885</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 23:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pets die in shelters because shelter directors and staff kill them. The fact that a pet owner could have prevented a litter of pups or kittens does not at all excuse the barbarism and mass killing that takes place in the kill pounds across the country. Pound directors and staff are using the so-called &quot;irresponsible public&quot; as a scapegoat to cover for their failure to DO THEIR JOBS. Could you imagine if a town&#039;s police chief failed to protect citizens or solve cases and instead bleated &quot;It&#039;s not our fault, you people are a bunch of low-life criminals.&quot; I suspect he or she would be fired immediately. Yet people are perfectly willing to swallow the lies of lazy and uncaring pound directors who would rather empty their shelter the easy way--by killing--than do the work involved in getting pets out of the shelter alive. And a big part of that work is collaborating with non-profits to implement programs like free or low-cost and easily accessible spay/neuter.

But even with such programs, there will always be folks who, for whatever reason, don&#039;t spay or neuter. The good news is that S/N is not a prerequisite for building a No Kill community. It&#039;s just &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/&quot; title=&quot;No Kill Equation&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one of eleven necessary programs&lt;/a&gt;, and many of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://outthefrontdoor.com/&quot; title=&quot;Out The Front Door&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;156 (and counting) communities that save more than 90 percent of the pets who enter their shelters&lt;/a&gt; stopped the killing before a S/N program was in place.

S/N is not even the most important step. From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=9022&quot; title=&quot; Can You Neuter Your Way Out of Killing?&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nathan Winograd&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;Spay/neuter will not save animals in shelters today. It might not even save many animals in shelters in the future: In Austin, Texas, nine years and 60,000 surgeries after the launch of a low-cost spay/neuter program, the city shelter still killed over 14,000 animals, more than it had in a decade. And it topped 14,000 kills two times. In fact, killing went up four of the previous five years. Ellen Jefferson of Austin Pets Alive explains,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I had spent nine years pouring my heart and soul into spay/neuter and while I knew it was helping the community, I had expected a bigger measurable impact at the shelter. It bothered me that we had no real conclusive studies that showed the impact of spay/neuter on [killing] in the shelter and that the labors of all my work were not something I could see an impact from in a decade.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;It wasn’t until Austin advocates forced the replacement of their regressive pound director and began focusing on adoptions that killing declined significantly. Meanwhile, Allegany County, Maryland stopped killing because someone ordered them to stop, not because someone implemented a spay/neuter program. Seagoville, Texas killed less animals last year than they used to do in a single week because the new director ordered them to stop killing, not because he implemented a spay/neuter program.  Williamson County, Texas stopped killing when their new director took over and brought the killing to a stop, not because she implemented a spay/neuter program. Marquette, Michigan did the same, as have others. They did it through adoptions, and programs that get animals ready for adoption.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pets die in shelters because shelter directors and staff kill them. The fact that a pet owner could have prevented a litter of pups or kittens does not at all excuse the barbarism and mass killing that takes place in the kill pounds across the country. Pound directors and staff are using the so-called &#8220;irresponsible public&#8221; as a scapegoat to cover for their failure to DO THEIR JOBS. Could you imagine if a town&#8217;s police chief failed to protect citizens or solve cases and instead bleated &#8220;It&#8217;s not our fault, you people are a bunch of low-life criminals.&#8221; I suspect he or she would be fired immediately. Yet people are perfectly willing to swallow the lies of lazy and uncaring pound directors who would rather empty their shelter the easy way&#8211;by killing&#8211;than do the work involved in getting pets out of the shelter alive. And a big part of that work is collaborating with non-profits to implement programs like free or low-cost and easily accessible spay/neuter.</p>
<p>But even with such programs, there will always be folks who, for whatever reason, don&#8217;t spay or neuter. The good news is that S/N is not a prerequisite for building a No Kill community. It&#8217;s just <a href="http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/" title="No Kill Equation" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">one of eleven necessary programs</a>, and many of the <a href="http://outthefrontdoor.com/" title="Out The Front Door" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">156 (and counting) communities that save more than 90 percent of the pets who enter their shelters</a> stopped the killing before a S/N program was in place.</p>
<p>S/N is not even the most important step. From <a href="http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?p=9022" title=" Can You Neuter Your Way Out of Killing?" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Nathan Winograd</a>: &#8220;Spay/neuter will not save animals in shelters today. It might not even save many animals in shelters in the future: In Austin, Texas, nine years and 60,000 surgeries after the launch of a low-cost spay/neuter program, the city shelter still killed over 14,000 animals, more than it had in a decade. And it topped 14,000 kills two times. In fact, killing went up four of the previous five years. Ellen Jefferson of Austin Pets Alive explains,</p>
<blockquote><p>I had spent nine years pouring my heart and soul into spay/neuter and while I knew it was helping the community, I had expected a bigger measurable impact at the shelter. It bothered me that we had no real conclusive studies that showed the impact of spay/neuter on [killing] in the shelter and that the labors of all my work were not something I could see an impact from in a decade.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;It wasn’t until Austin advocates forced the replacement of their regressive pound director and began focusing on adoptions that killing declined significantly. Meanwhile, Allegany County, Maryland stopped killing because someone ordered them to stop, not because someone implemented a spay/neuter program. Seagoville, Texas killed less animals last year than they used to do in a single week because the new director ordered them to stop killing, not because he implemented a spay/neuter program.  Williamson County, Texas stopped killing when their new director took over and brought the killing to a stop, not because she implemented a spay/neuter program. Marquette, Michigan did the same, as have others. They did it through adoptions, and programs that get animals ready for adoption.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Irresponsible public steps up to help pound pets after theft by Josh</title>
		<link>http://fixnc.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/irresponsible-public-steps-up-to-help-pound-pets-after-theft/#comment-1884</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is  it not partially the publics fault? They don&#039;t fix their pets, their pets have puppies they &#039;dont want, they drop them off at the shelter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is  it not partially the publics fault? They don&#8217;t fix their pets, their pets have puppies they &#8216;dont want, they drop them off at the shelter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Granville County pound is low on adoptables because it&#8217;s easier that way by Lisa B</title>
		<link>http://fixnc.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/1277/#comment-1853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 15:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for commenting! If you were of a mind to, you could let the county manager and commissioners know how you feel. That might help out the people in the community. The contact info is: 

County Manager: Brian Alligood, brian.alligood@granvillecounty.org, P.O. Box 906
Oxford,  NC  27565, 919-693-5240

Commissioners:
Edgar Smoak: edgar.smoak@granvillecounty.org, 407 East F Street, Butner, NC 27509
David T. Smith: david.smith@granvillecounty.org, 207 Holly Drive,  Oxford, NC 27565
Zelodis Jay:  zelodis.jay@granvillecounty.org, 8009 Highway 96 North, Oxford, NC 27565
R. David Currin, Jr.: dave.currin@granvillecounty.org, 2578 Joe Pruitt Road, Oxford, NC 27565
Tony W. Cozart: tony.cozart@granvillecounty.org, 4056 Peace’s Chapel Road, Oxford, NC 27565
Ed Mims:  ed.mims@granvillecounty.org, 2204 Regent Court,Creedmoor, NC 27522
Timothy Karan:  timothy.karan@granvillecounty.org, 2763 Garland Court, Creedmoor, NC 27522]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting! If you were of a mind to, you could let the county manager and commissioners know how you feel. That might help out the people in the community. The contact info is: </p>
<p>County Manager: Brian Alligood, <a href="mailto:brian.alligood@granvillecounty.org">brian.alligood@granvillecounty.org</a>, P.O. Box 906<br />
Oxford,  NC  27565, 919-693-5240</p>
<p>Commissioners:<br />
Edgar Smoak: <a href="mailto:edgar.smoak@granvillecounty.org">edgar.smoak@granvillecounty.org</a>, 407 East F Street, Butner, NC 27509<br />
David T. Smith: <a href="mailto:david.smith@granvillecounty.org">david.smith@granvillecounty.org</a>, 207 Holly Drive,  Oxford, NC 27565<br />
Zelodis Jay:  <a href="mailto:zelodis.jay@granvillecounty.org">zelodis.jay@granvillecounty.org</a>, 8009 Highway 96 North, Oxford, NC 27565<br />
R. David Currin, Jr.: <a href="mailto:dave.currin@granvillecounty.org">dave.currin@granvillecounty.org</a>, 2578 Joe Pruitt Road, Oxford, NC 27565<br />
Tony W. Cozart: <a href="mailto:tony.cozart@granvillecounty.org">tony.cozart@granvillecounty.org</a>, 4056 Peace’s Chapel Road, Oxford, NC 27565<br />
Ed Mims:  <a href="mailto:ed.mims@granvillecounty.org">ed.mims@granvillecounty.org</a>, 2204 Regent Court,Creedmoor, NC 27522<br />
Timothy Karan:  <a href="mailto:timothy.karan@granvillecounty.org">timothy.karan@granvillecounty.org</a>, 2763 Garland Court, Creedmoor, NC 27522</p>
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		<title>Comment on Granville County pound is low on adoptables because it&#8217;s easier that way by Dreamfix Mediallc</title>
		<link>http://fixnc.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/1277/#comment-1852</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dreamfix Mediallc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 May 2013 15:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I adopted an animal from Granville and dealt with Cathy. Wow right off the bat she seems like a heartless you know what. She doesn’t seem to care about the animals or anyone coming in to adopt them. She reminds me of Mrs Trunchbowl from the movie Matilda! She is a horrible wretch of a woman from my experience with her. My heart goes out to the people in this community and all the poor animals that suffer because of her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I adopted an animal from Granville and dealt with Cathy. Wow right off the bat she seems like a heartless you know what. She doesn’t seem to care about the animals or anyone coming in to adopt them. She reminds me of Mrs Trunchbowl from the movie Matilda! She is a horrible wretch of a woman from my experience with her. My heart goes out to the people in this community and all the poor animals that suffer because of her.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crunching the NC kill numbers by Lisa Wahl</title>
		<link>http://fixnc.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/crunching-the-nc-kill-numbers/#comment-1845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Wahl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2013 15:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve updated my spreadsheet: http://www.spayship.com/nc.html
Looks like things are getting better in NC.  Congrats!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve updated my spreadsheet: <a href="http://www.spayship.com/nc.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spayship.com/nc.html</a><br />
Looks like things are getting better in NC.  Congrats!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crunching the NC kill numbers by Lisa B</title>
		<link>http://fixnc.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/crunching-the-nc-kill-numbers/#comment-1844</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 18:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that link. Please note the this article was written a year ago, and these are the 2011 stats. The 2012 stats just came out last week, and I&#039;m still crunching them. Here is the doc I&#039;m working with: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Agys64uaCL1gdHQ1aWZQdC1KM0gyVUNTNm9XaHVqR0E&amp;usp=sharing]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link. Please note the this article was written a year ago, and these are the 2011 stats. The 2012 stats just came out last week, and I&#8217;m still crunching them. Here is the doc I&#8217;m working with: <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Agys64uaCL1gdHQ1aWZQdC1KM0gyVUNTNm9XaHVqR0E&#038;usp=sharing" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Agys64uaCL1gdHQ1aWZQdC1KM0gyVUNTNm9XaHVqR0E&#038;usp=sharing</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Crunching the NC kill numbers by lisaall4animals</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lisaall4animals]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 17:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, boy, I&#039;ve been waiting for 2012 numbers for all the states I&#039;ve been working on and NC is the first to come out!  You might be interested in something I just uploaded comparing state stats http://www.spayship.com/comparestatesmay25.htm  Also some cities.  I finally found someplace with a lower dog Return to Owner rate than NC, and it&#039;s New York City.  Can&#039;t blame it on hunting dogs there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, boy, I&#8217;ve been waiting for 2012 numbers for all the states I&#8217;ve been working on and NC is the first to come out!  You might be interested in something I just uploaded comparing state stats <a href="http://www.spayship.com/comparestatesmay25.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.spayship.com/comparestatesmay25.htm</a>  Also some cities.  I finally found someplace with a lower dog Return to Owner rate than NC, and it&#8217;s New York City.  Can&#8217;t blame it on hunting dogs there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crunching the NC kill numbers by Lisa B</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 May 2013 16:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rhonda, I published this post a year ago ;-) The 2012 numbers just came out a few days ago.I&#039;m working on a number-crunching post on the 2012 numbers, but it&#039;s a lot of info, so it may take a week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rhonda, I published this post a year ago <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  The 2012 numbers just came out a few days ago.I&#8217;m working on a number-crunching post on the 2012 numbers, but it&#8217;s a lot of info, so it may take a week.</p>
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